The old ones say, lead a simple life. The society we live in is all about getting more houses, cars, luxury and credit cards. The law of worry says, the more you have, the more you need to worry. You get a house, then you need insurance, then you need to take care of the yard and the list goes on. Next, you may want a bigger house with a bigger yard which costs more in insurance. Along with the accumulation of materialism, are other “gifts.” Soon you become a slave and the materialism owns you. Lead a simple life and have peace of mind. Lead a simple life and be spiritual.
Unfortunately the simple life is going the way of the buffalo. Soon it will not be even an option. One of the things that make it so, is the educational system which teaches through readings and through pictures to the youth around the world from a young age, what success means. It is the conditioning of the masses to make them strive for more and more and more to feed the coffers of the fat cats while they fight to get one step ahead of the Jones’s.
Around the world you see the deterioration of the simple life to a more materialistic way of living. Then laws are enforced to enslave the masses further. These laws have the underlying element of fear and play on the insecurities of the masses, who have been relegated to survival and see material successes as the opposite of this pattern. What the masses miss is that the controllers will always need them to stay in that position of scraping to survive, fighting to have more, and being in debt till their dying day. The Power Control Force has no intention of sharing the “dream of the have’s”.
If everyone had what they needed to subsist, there would be no need for wars and other devastations of the planet to keep the Power Control Force in power. So it becomes a constant maze of work, work, work, grasping, like crabs in a barrel seeking for the illusion of success in the material world.
Little by little it becomes harder and harder to live a simple life as others take more than they need leaving scraps for the rest. In fact, you have to fight to remain simplistic in your existence, for you will be cajoled and ridiculed and isolated if you live simply. The conditioned/programmed fears of others will permeate into your reality and before long you begin to doubt yourself and your own intentions.
After a while, being close to nature is no longer important. Chopping away at nature means nothing. Spoiling the air we breathe or the water we drink means nothing. Mass killing of animals for food means nothing. Till finally, we turn on each other.
We have destroyed the one home we all share because we have bought into the illusion of what it means to be successful and are so far removed from simplicity that we would rankle in fear if our things, our stuff, our “way of life” was downsized.
We are a pitiful lot of controlled robots who keep the Power Control Force full. We are so blind that we do not realize that they flaunt their so-called success and have no intention of sharing it fairly, if at all.
Downsizing and letting go of stuff is one of the best ways to strike back! One of the best ways to regain our sovereignty and one of the best ways to save our planet and become whole again. We are all complicit, but we can all change this, one step at a time, one day at a time, one lifetime at a time. http://p.datastomp.com/9/3/39.js
On September 11, 2001, a neighbor telephoned and said, “turn on the TV.” I assumed that a hurricane, possibly a bad one from the sound of the neighbor‟s voice, was headed our way, and turned on the TV to determine whether we needed to shutter the house and leave.
What I saw was black smoke from upper floors of one of the World Trade Center towers. It didn‟t seem to be much of a fire, and the reports were that the fire was under control. While I was trying to figure out why every TV network had its main news anchor covering an office fire, TV cameras showed an airplane hitting the other tower. It was then that I learned that both towers had been hit by airliners.
Cameras showed people standing at the hole in the side of the tower looking out. This didn‟t surprise me. The airliner was minute compared to the massive building. But what was going on? Two accidents, one on top of the other?
The towers—the three-fourths or four-fifths of the buildings beneath the plane strikes–were standing, apparently largely undamaged. There were no signs of fire except in the vicinity of where the airliners had hit. Suddenly, one of the towers blew up, disintegrated, and disappeared in fine dust. Before one could make any sense of this, the same thing happened to the second tower, and it too disappeared into fine dust.
The TV news anchors compared the disintegration of the towers to controlled demolition. There were numerous reports of explosions throughout the towers from the base or sub-basements to the top. (Once the government put out the story of terrorist attack, references to controlled demolition and explosions disappeared from the print and TV media.) This made sense to me. Someone had blown up the buildings. It was completely obvious that the towers had not fallen down from asymmetrical structural damage. They had blown up.
The images of the airliners hitting the towers and the towers blowing up were replayed time and again. Airliners hit the top portions of the towers, and not long afterward the towers blew up. I turned off the TV wondering how it was that cameras had been ready to catch such an unusual phenomenon as an airplane flying into a skyscraper.
I don’t remember the time line, but it wasn‟t long before the story was in place that Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda gang had attacked the US. A passport had been found in the rubble. Another airliner had flown into the Pentagon, and a fourth airliner had crashed or been shot down. Four airliners had been hijacked, meaning airport security had failed four times on the same morning. Terrorists had successfully assaulted America.
When I heard these reports, I wondered. How could a tiny undamaged passport be found in the rubble of two skyscrapers, each more than 100 stories tall, when bodies, office furniture and computers could not be found? How could airport security fail so totally that four airliners could be hijacked within the same hour? How could authorities know so conclusively and almost immediately the names of the perpetrators who pulled off such a successful attack on the world‟s only superpower, when the authorities had no idea that such an attack was planned or even possible?
These questions disturbed me, because as a former member of the congressional staff and as a presidential appointee to high office, I had high level security clearances. In addition to my duties as Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury, I had FEMA responsibilities in the event of nuclear attack. There was a mountain hideaway to which I was supposed to report in the event of a nuclear attack and from which I was supposed to take over the US government in the event no higher official survived the attack.
The more the story of 9/11 was presented in the media, the more wondrous it became. It is not credible that not only the CIA and FBI failed to detect the plot, but also all 16 US intelligence agencies, including the National Security Agency, which spies on everyone on the planet, and the Defense Intelligence Agency, Israel‟s Mossad, and the intelligence agencies of Washington‟s NATO allies. There are simply too many watchmen and too much infiltration of terrorist groups for such a complex attack to be prepared undetected and carried out undeterred.
Washington‟s explanation of the attack implied a security failure too massive to be credible. Such a catastrophic failure of national security would mean that the US and Western Europe were never safe for one second during the Cold War, that the Soviet Union could have destroyed the entire West in one undetected fell swoop.
As a person whose colleagues at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington were former secretaries of state, former national security advisors, former CIA directors, former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I was troubled by the story that a collection of individuals unsupported by a competent intelligence service had pulled off the events of 9/11.
As a person with high level government service, I knew that any such successful operation as 9/11 would have resulted in immediate demands from the White House, Congress, and the media for accountability. There would have been an investigation of how every aspect of US security could totally fail simultaneously in one morning. Such a catastrophic and embarrassing failure of the national security state would not be left unexamined.
NORAD failed. The US Air Force could not get jet fighters in the air. Air Traffic Control lost sight of the hijacked airliners. Yet, instead of launching an investigation, the White House resisted for one year the demands of the 9/11 families for an investigation. Neither the public, the media, nor Congress seemed to think an investigation was necessary. The focus was on revenge, which the Bush neocon regime said meant invading Afghanistan which was alleged to be sheltering the perpetrator, Osama bin Laden.
Normally, terrorists are proud of their success and announce their responsibility. It is a way to build a movement. Often a number of terrorist groups will compete in claiming credit for a successful operation. But Osama bin Laden in the last video that is certified by independent experts said that he had no responsibility for 9/11, that he had nothing against the American people, that his opposition was limited to the US government‟s colonial policies and control over Muslim governments.
It makes no sense that the “mastermind” of the most humiliating blow in world history ever to have been delivered against a superpower would not claim credit for his accomplishment. By September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden knew that he was deathly ill. According to news reports he underwent kidney dialysis the following month. The most reliable reports that we have are that he died in December 2001. It is simply not credible that bin Laden denied responsibility because he feared Washington.
But Osama bin Laden was too useful a bogeyman, and Washington and the presstitute media kept him alive for another decade until Obama needed to kill the dead man in order to boost his sinking standings in the polls so that Democrats would not back a challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Numerous bin Laden videos, every one pronounced a fake by experts, were released whenever it was convenient for Washington. No one in the Western media or in the US Congress or European or UK parliaments was sufficiently intelligent to recognize that a bin Laden video always showed up on cue when Washington needed it. “Why would the „mastermind‟ be so accommodating for Washington?” was the question that went through my mind every time one of the fake videos was released.
The 9/11 “investigation” that finally took place was a political one run from the White House. One member of the commission resigned, declaring the investigation to be a farce, and both co-chairman and the legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission distanced themselves from their report with statements that the 9/11 Commission was “set up to fail,” that resources were withheld from the commission, that representatives of the US military lied to the commission and that the commission considered referring the false testimony for criminal prosecution. One would think that these revelations would cause a sensation, but the news media, Congress, the White House, and the public were silent.
All of this bothered me a great deal. The US had invaded two Muslim countries based on unsubstantiated allegations linking the two countries to 9/11, which itself remained uninvestigated. The neoconservatives who staffed the George W. Bush regime were advocating more invasions of more Muslim countries. Paul O‟Neill, President Bush‟s first Treasury Secretary, stated publicly that the Bush regime was planning to invade Iraq prior to 9/11. O‟Neill said that no one at a National Security Council meeting even asked the question, why invade Iraq? “It was all about finding a way to do it.”
The leaked top secret Downing Street Memo written by the head of British intelligence (MI6) confirms Paul O‟Neill‟s testimony. The memo, known as the “smoking gun memo” whose authenticity has been confirmed, states that “President George W. Bush wants to remove Saddam Hussein, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” In other words, the US invasion of Iraq was based on nothing but a made up lie.
As an engineering student I had witnessed a controlled demolition. When films of the collapse of WTC building 7 emerged, it was obvious that building 7 had been brought down by controlled demolition. When physics instructor David Chandler measured the descent of the building and established that it took place at free fall acceleration, the case was closed. Buildings cannot enter free fall unless controlled demolition has removed all resistance to the collapsing floors.
If airliners brought down two skyscrapers, why was controlled demolition used to bring down a third building?
I assumed that structural architects, structural engineers, and physicists would blow the whistle on the obviously false story. If I could see that something was amiss, certainly more highly trained people would.
The first physicist to make an effective and compelling argument was Steven Jones at BYU. Jones said that explosives brought down the twin towers. He made a good case. For his efforts, he was pressured to resign his tenured position. I wondered whether the federal government had threatened BYU‟s research grants or whether patriotic trustees and alumni were the driving force behind Jones‟ expulsion. Regardless, the message was clear to other university based experts: “Shut up or we‟ll get you.” Steven Jones was vindicated when chemist Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen In Denmark reported unequivocally that the scientific team in which he participated found nano-thermite in the residue of the twin towers. This sensational finding was not mentioned in the US print and TV media to my knowledge.
Several years after 9/11 architect Richard Gage formed Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, an organization that has grown to include 1,700 experts. The plans of the towers have been studied. They were formidable structures. They were constructed to withstand airliner hits and fires. There is no credible explanation of their failure except intentional demolition. I also found disturbing the gullibility of the public, media, and Congress in the unquestioning acceptance of the official stories of the shoe-bomber, shampoo and bottled water bomber, and underwear bomber plots to blow up airliners in transit. These schemes are farcical. How can we believe that al Qaeda, capable of pulling off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history and capable of devising improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that kill and maim US troops and destroy US military vehicles would rely on something that had to be lighted with a match?
The shoe and underwear bombers would simply have pushed a button on their cell phones or laptops, and the liquid bomb would not have required extended time in a lavatory to be mixed (all to no effect).
None of this makes any sense. Moreover, experts disputed many of the government‟s claims, which were never backed by anything but the government‟s story line. There is no independent evidence that anything was involved other than firecracker powders.
The case of the underwear bomber is especially difficult to accept. According to witnesses, the underwear bomber was not allowed on the airliner, because he had no passport. So an official appears who walks him onto the airliner bound for Detroit on Christmas day. What kind of official has the authority to override established rules, and what did the official think would happen to the passenger when he presented himself to US Customs without a passport? Any official with the power to override standard operating practices would know that it was pointless to send a passenger to a country where his entry would be rejected.
The circumstantial evidence is that these were orchestrated events designed to keep fear alive, to create new intrusive powers for a new over-arching federal policy agency, to accustom US citizens to intrusive searches and a police force to conducting them, and to sell expensive porno-scanners and now more advanced devices to the Transportation Safety Administration. Apparently, this expensive collection of high-tech gadgetry is insufficient to protect us from terrorists, and in August 2012 the Department of Homeland Security put in an order for 750 million rounds of ammunition, enough to shoot every person in the US 2.5 times.
Naive and gullible Americans claim that if some part of the US government had been involved in 9/11, “someone would have talked by now.” A comforting thought, perhaps, but nothing more. Consider, for example, the cover-up by the US government of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed or wounded most of the crew but failed to sink the ship. As the survivors have testified, they were ordered in a threatening way not to speak about the event. It was twelve years later before one of the USS Liberty‟s officers, James Ennes, told the story of the attack in his book, Assault on the Liberty. I continue to wonder how the professionals at the National Institute of Standards and Technology feel about being maneuvered by the federal government into the unscientific position NIST took concerning the destruction of the WTC towers.
What will be the outcome of the doubts about the official story raised by experts? I worry that most Americans are too mentally and emotionally weak to be able to come to grips with the truth. They are far more comfortable with the story that enemies attacked America successfully despite the massive national security state in place. The American public has proved itself to be so cowardly that it willingly, without a peep, sacrificed its civil liberty and the protections of law guaranteed by the Constitution in order to be “safe.”
Congress is not about to expose itself for having squandered trillions of dollars on pointless wars based on an orchestrated “new Pearl Harbor.” When the neoconservatives said that a “new Pearl Harbor” was a requirement for their wars for American/Israeli hegemony, they set the stage for the 21st century wars that Washington has launched. If Syria falls, there is only Iran, and then Washington stands in direct confrontation with Russia and China.
Unless Russia and China can be overthrown with “color revolutions,” these two nuclear powers are unlikely to submit to Washington‟s hegemony. The world as we know it might be drawing to a close.
If enough Americans or even other peoples in the world had the intelligence to realize that massive steel structures do not disintegrate into fine dust because a flimsy airliner hits them and limited short-lived fires burn on a few floors, Washington would be faced with the suspicion it deserves.
If 9/11 was actually the result of the failure of the national security state to deter an attack, the government‟s refusal to conduct a real investigation is an even greater failure. It has fallen to concerned and qualified individuals to perform the investigative role abandoned by government. The presentations at the Toronto Hearings, along with the evaluations of the Panel, are now available, as is the documentary film, “Explosive Evidence–Experts Speak Out,” provided by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
The government‟s agents and apologists try to deflect attention from disturbing facts by redefining factual evidence revealed by experts as the product of “a conspiracy culture.” If people despite their brainwashing and lack of scientific education are able to absorb the information made available to them, perhaps both the US Constitution and peace could be restored. Only informed people can restrain Washington and avert the crazed hegemonic US government from destroying the world in war.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following.
On September 11, 2001, a neighbor telephoned and said, “turn on the TV.” I assumed that a hurricane, possibly a bad one from the sound of the neighbor‟s voice, was headed our way, and turned on the TV to determine whether we needed to shutter the house and leave.
What I saw was black smoke from upper floors of one of the World Trade Center towers. It didn‟t seem to be much of a fire, and the reports were that the fire was under control. While I was trying to figure out why every TV network had its main news anchor covering an office fire, TV cameras showed an airplane hitting the other tower. It was then that I learned that both towers had been hit by airliners.
Cameras showed people standing at the hole in the side of the tower looking out. This didn‟t surprise me. The airliner was minute compared to the massive building. But what was going on? Two accidents, one on top of the other?
The towers—the three-fourths or four-fifths of the buildings beneath the plane strikes–were standing, apparently largely undamaged. There were no signs of fire except in the vicinity of where the airliners had hit. Suddenly, one of the towers blew up, disintegrated, and disappeared in fine dust. Before one could make any sense of this, the same thing happened to the second tower, and it too disappeared into fine dust.
The TV news anchors compared the disintegration of the towers to controlled demolition. There were numerous reports of explosions throughout the towers from the base or sub-basements to the top. (Once the government put out the story of terrorist attack, references to controlled demolition and explosions disappeared from the print and TV media.) This made sense to me. Someone had blown up the buildings. It was completely obvious that the towers had not fallen down from asymmetrical structural damage. They had blown up.
The images of the airliners hitting the towers and the towers blowing up were replayed time and again. Airliners hit the top portions of the towers, and not long afterward the towers blew up. I turned off the TV wondering how it was that cameras had been ready to catch such an unusual phenomenon as an airplane flying into a skyscraper.
I don’t remember the time line, but it wasn‟t long before the story was in place that Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda gang had attacked the US. A passport had been found in the rubble. Another airliner had flown into the Pentagon, and a fourth airliner had crashed or been shot down. Four airliners had been hijacked, meaning airport security had failed four times on the same morning. Terrorists had successfully assaulted America.
When I heard these reports, I wondered. How could a tiny undamaged passport be found in the rubble of two skyscrapers, each more than 100 stories tall, when bodies, office furniture and computers could not be found? How could airport security fail so totally that four airliners could be hijacked within the same hour? How could authorities know so conclusively and almost immediately the names of the perpetrators who pulled off such a successful attack on the world‟s only superpower, when the authorities had no idea that such an attack was planned or even possible?
These questions disturbed me, because as a former member of the congressional staff and as a presidential appointee to high office, I had high level security clearances. In addition to my duties as Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury, I had FEMA responsibilities in the event of nuclear attack. There was a mountain hideaway to which I was supposed to report in the event of a nuclear attack and from which I was supposed to take over the US government in the event no higher official survived the attack.
The more the story of 9/11 was presented in the media, the more wondrous it became. It is not credible that not only the CIA and FBI failed to detect the plot, but also all 16 US intelligence agencies, including the National Security Agency, which spies on everyone on the planet, and the Defense Intelligence Agency, Israel‟s Mossad, and the intelligence agencies of Washington‟s NATO allies. There are simply too many watchmen and too much infiltration of terrorist groups for such a complex attack to be prepared undetected and carried out undeterred.
Washington‟s explanation of the attack implied a security failure too massive to be credible. Such a catastrophic failure of national security would mean that the US and Western Europe were never safe for one second during the Cold War, that the Soviet Union could have destroyed the entire West in one undetected fell swoop.
As a person whose colleagues at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington were former secretaries of state, former national security advisors, former CIA directors, former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I was troubled by the story that a collection of individuals unsupported by a competent intelligence service had pulled off the events of 9/11.
As a person with high level government service, I knew that any such successful operation as 9/11 would have resulted in immediate demands from the White House, Congress, and the media for accountability. There would have been an investigation of how every aspect of US security could totally fail simultaneously in one morning. Such a catastrophic and embarrassing failure of the national security state would not be left unexamined.
NORAD failed. The US Air Force could not get jet fighters in the air. Air Traffic Control lost sight of the hijacked airliners. Yet, instead of launching an investigation, the White House resisted for one year the demands of the 9/11 families for an investigation. Neither the public, the media, nor Congress seemed to think an investigation was necessary. The focus was on revenge, which the Bush neocon regime said meant invading Afghanistan which was alleged to be sheltering the perpetrator, Osama bin Laden.
Normally, terrorists are proud of their success and announce their responsibility. It is a way to build a movement. Often a number of terrorist groups will compete in claiming credit for a successful operation. But Osama bin Laden in the last video that is certified by independent experts said that he had no responsibility for 9/11, that he had nothing against the American people, that his opposition was limited to the US government‟s colonial policies and control over Muslim governments.
It makes no sense that the “mastermind” of the most humiliating blow in world history ever to have been delivered against a superpower would not claim credit for his accomplishment. By September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden knew that he was deathly ill. According to news reports he underwent kidney dialysis the following month. The most reliable reports that we have are that he died in December 2001. It is simply not credible that bin Laden denied responsibility because he feared Washington.
But Osama bin Laden was too useful a bogeyman, and Washington and the presstitute media kept him alive for another decade until Obama needed to kill the dead man in order to boost his sinking standings in the polls so that Democrats would not back a challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Numerous bin Laden videos, every one pronounced a fake by experts, were released whenever it was convenient for Washington. No one in the Western media or in the US Congress or European or UK parliaments was sufficiently intelligent to recognize that a bin Laden video always showed up on cue when Washington needed it. “Why would the „mastermind‟ be so accommodating for Washington?” was the question that went through my mind every time one of the fake videos was released.
The 9/11 “investigation” that finally took place was a political one run from the White House. One member of the commission resigned, declaring the investigation to be a farce, and both co-chairman and the legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission distanced themselves from their report with statements that the 9/11 Commission was “set up to fail,” that resources were withheld from the commission, that representatives of the US military lied to the commission and that the commission considered referring the false testimony for criminal prosecution. One would think that these revelations would cause a sensation, but the news media, Congress, the White House, and the public were silent.
All of this bothered me a great deal. The US had invaded two Muslim countries based on unsubstantiated allegations linking the two countries to 9/11, which itself remained uninvestigated. The neoconservatives who staffed the George W. Bush regime were advocating more invasions of more Muslim countries. Paul O‟Neill, President Bush‟s first Treasury Secretary, stated publicly that the Bush regime was planning to invade Iraq prior to 9/11. O‟Neill said that no one at a National Security Council meeting even asked the question, why invade Iraq? “It was all about finding a way to do it.”
The leaked top secret Downing Street Memo written by the head of British intelligence (MI6) confirms Paul O‟Neill‟s testimony. The memo, known as the “smoking gun memo” whose authenticity has been confirmed, states that “President George W. Bush wants to remove Saddam Hussein, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” In other words, the US invasion of Iraq was based on nothing but a made up lie.
As an engineering student I had witnessed a controlled demolition. When films of the collapse of WTC building 7 emerged, it was obvious that building 7 had been brought down by controlled demolition. When physics instructor David Chandler measured the descent of the building and established that it took place at free fall acceleration, the case was closed. Buildings cannot enter free fall unless controlled demolition has removed all resistance to the collapsing floors.
If airliners brought down two skyscrapers, why was controlled demolition used to bring down a third building?
I assumed that structural architects, structural engineers, and physicists would blow the whistle on the obviously false story. If I could see that something was amiss, certainly more highly trained people would.
The first physicist to make an effective and compelling argument was Steven Jones at BYU. Jones said that explosives brought down the twin towers. He made a good case. For his efforts, he was pressured to resign his tenured position. I wondered whether the federal government had threatened BYU‟s research grants or whether patriotic trustees and alumni were the driving force behind Jones‟ expulsion. Regardless, the message was clear to other university based experts: “Shut up or we‟ll get you.” Steven Jones was vindicated when chemist Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen In Denmark reported unequivocally that the scientific team in which he participated found nano-thermite in the residue of the twin towers. This sensational finding was not mentioned in the US print and TV media to my knowledge.
Several years after 9/11 architect Richard Gage formed Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, an organization that has grown to include 1,700 experts. The plans of the towers have been studied. They were formidable structures. They were constructed to withstand airliner hits and fires. There is no credible explanation of their failure except intentional demolition. I also found disturbing the gullibility of the public, media, and Congress in the unquestioning acceptance of the official stories of the shoe-bomber, shampoo and bottled water bomber, and underwear bomber plots to blow up airliners in transit. These schemes are farcical. How can we believe that al Qaeda, capable of pulling off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history and capable of devising improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that kill and maim US troops and destroy US military vehicles would rely on something that had to be lighted with a match?
The shoe and underwear bombers would simply have pushed a button on their cell phones or laptops, and the liquid bomb would not have required extended time in a lavatory to be mixed (all to no effect).
None of this makes any sense. Moreover, experts disputed many of the government‟s claims, which were never backed by anything but the government‟s story line. There is no independent evidence that anything was involved other than firecracker powders.
The case of the underwear bomber is especially difficult to accept. According to witnesses, the underwear bomber was not allowed on the airliner, because he had no passport. So an official appears who walks him onto the airliner bound for Detroit on Christmas day. What kind of official has the authority to override established rules, and what did the official think would happen to the passenger when he presented himself to US Customs without a passport? Any official with the power to override standard operating practices would know that it was pointless to send a passenger to a country where his entry would be rejected.
The circumstantial evidence is that these were orchestrated events designed to keep fear alive, to create new intrusive powers for a new over-arching federal policy agency, to accustom US citizens to intrusive searches and a police force to conducting them, and to sell expensive porno-scanners and now more advanced devices to the Transportation Safety Administration. Apparently, this expensive collection of high-tech gadgetry is insufficient to protect us from terrorists, and in August 2012 the Department of Homeland Security put in an order for 750 million rounds of ammunition, enough to shoot every person in the US 2.5 times.
Naive and gullible Americans claim that if some part of the US government had been involved in 9/11, “someone would have talked by now.” A comforting thought, perhaps, but nothing more. Consider, for example, the cover-up by the US government of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed or wounded most of the crew but failed to sink the ship. As the survivors have testified, they were ordered in a threatening way not to speak about the event. It was twelve years later before one of the USS Liberty‟s officers, James Ennes, told the story of the attack in his book, Assault on the Liberty. I continue to wonder how the professionals at the National Institute of Standards and Technology feel about being maneuvered by the federal government into the unscientific position NIST took concerning the destruction of the WTC towers.
What will be the outcome of the doubts about the official story raised by experts? I worry that most Americans are too mentally and emotionally weak to be able to come to grips with the truth. They are far more comfortable with the story that enemies attacked America successfully despite the massive national security state in place. The American public has proved itself to be so cowardly that it willingly, without a peep, sacrificed its civil liberty and the protections of law guaranteed by the Constitution in order to be “safe.”
Congress is not about to expose itself for having squandered trillions of dollars on pointless wars based on an orchestrated “new Pearl Harbor.” When the neoconservatives said that a “new Pearl Harbor” was a requirement for their wars for American/Israeli hegemony, they set the stage for the 21st century wars that Washington has launched. If Syria falls, there is only Iran, and then Washington stands in direct confrontation with Russia and China.
Unless Russia and China can be overthrown with “color revolutions,” these two nuclear powers are unlikely to submit to Washington‟s hegemony. The world as we know it might be drawing to a close.
If enough Americans or even other peoples in the world had the intelligence to realize that massive steel structures do not disintegrate into fine dust because a flimsy airliner hits them and limited short-lived fires burn on a few floors, Washington would be faced with the suspicion it deserves.
If 9/11 was actually the result of the failure of the national security state to deter an attack, the government‟s refusal to conduct a real investigation is an even greater failure. It has fallen to concerned and qualified individuals to perform the investigative role abandoned by government. The presentations at the Toronto Hearings, along with the evaluations of the Panel, are now available, as is the documentary film, “Explosive Evidence–Experts Speak Out,” provided by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
The government‟s agents and apologists try to deflect attention from disturbing facts by redefining factual evidence revealed by experts as the product of “a conspiracy culture.” If people despite their brainwashing and lack of scientific education are able to absorb the information made available to them, perhaps both the US Constitution and peace could be restored. Only informed people can restrain Washington and avert the crazed hegemonic US government from destroying the world in war.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following.
“For some reason or another, today the thought popped into my mind that President Barak Obama doesn’t even want to be re-elected!?!?! Sometimes you don’t know what you’re getting into until you are in it; and once you see things (and people) for what they really are, or what you thought could be, you say to yourself, “If I knew then what I know now, there is no way I would have done this.” Something tells me that this is where Obama is at this point in time.” Ray Haggins Tuesday, September 4 at 1:02am
I sure hope that the folks who are pushing for his re-election are not disappointed. I hope that the folks who push him back into the White house are ready to hold the brother up through the storms he will face, and take a few bullets for h im.
I hope the ones, who push him are willing to push him towards the greater good, let his deterrents know that they got his back for all the so called “good things he wants to do” for Americans and the world.
I hope that folks put their money where their mouth is and stop the “Lions” from eating this man alive. I hope these folks can take the programming out of his brain and remove him from his puppeteers, the banksters and corporations. I hope that these folks will stand along with him, against the NWO who want to enslave us all.
I hope that your support is more than a racial thing, and more of a humanity thing. I hope that those who rally behind him will give him support not in cheers but in guidance and direction so that he can come out of the madness that NATO and the EU have sailed him into in terms of Wars in the middle east, and the “staged” economic crisis.
I hope that they haven’t just changed the flavor of the kool-aid, but have decided to give real natural wholesome juicy juice. I hope that his true ideals, if they are not the ideals of the banksters who back and pay for him, are bolstered by his supporters to the point where he does not need the banksters, the prison industrial complex, the military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical companies, the oil oligarchy, the drug cartels and the terrorists (AKA CIA).
I hope that in bringing the troops home, that he give them a much better health plan, free housing, education and mental support because they went to war on a dime that turned out to be a lie. I hope that he turns down every penny that comes from the invasions of Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan in the form of natural resources, especially water from the Great Man-made River in Libya.
I hope that you all support him away from the catastrophic war with Iran. And I hope that his supporters let him know how important it is to avoid at all cost getting behind world leaders dictators everywhere, and not just in a few choice countries. I hope that with all this rallying that his supporters are prepared to be there down to the wire and stand behind him on every human issue cause assassinating and imprisoning people or dropping drones on them because they have been labeled “enemy combatants, killing innocent women, and children at wedding parties is not humane.
I hope that after his next term in office, if he is victorious, his supporters will carry him on their shoulders and know that it was the work THEY DID that kept him on the path of truth and justice. And sadly, if he fails, I hope that his supporters will still carry him on their shoulders and take him into their homes and start the healing. For I am certain, that Barack Obama, had no idea of what he was getting into. The game of politics is cruel and unyielding in its AGENDA. Too many times this man has been crucified, hands tied behind his back and disrespected all with the adage “it comes with the territory.”
Cause if you want to push him back into the White House for any other reason, then he will continue to be ineffective in creating real change, and the slogan “Yes, We Can” is just a bunch of words. The “WE” in that slogan is every single person, making a conscious decision to cease and desist in supporting this criminal capitalistic warmongering racist/sexist government.
“For some reason or another, today the thought popped into my mind that President Barak Obama doesn’t even want to be re-elected!?!?! Sometimes you don’t know what you’re getting into until you are in it; and once you see things (and people) for what they really are, or what you thought could be, you say to yourself, “If I knew then what I know now, there is no way I would have done this.” Something tells me that this is where Obama is at this point in time.” Ray Haggins Tuesday, September 4 at 1:02am
I sure hope that the folks who are pushing for his re-election are not disappointed. I hope that the folks who push him back into the White house are ready to hold the brother up through the storms he will face, and take a few bullets for h im.
I hope the ones, who push him are willing to push him towards the greater good, let his deterrents know that they got his back for all the so called “good things he wants to do” for Americans and the world.
I hope that folks put their money where their mouth is and stop the “Lions” from eating this man alive. I hope these folks can take the programming out of his brain and remove him from his puppeteers, the banksters and corporations. I hope that these folks will stand along with him, against the NWO who want to enslave us all.
I hope that your support is more than a racial thing, and more of a humanity thing. I hope that those who rally behind him will give him support not in cheers but in guidance and direction so that he can come out of the madness that NATO and the EU have sailed him into in terms of Wars in the middle east, and the “staged” economic crisis.
I hope that they haven’t just changed the flavor of the kool-aid, but have decided to give real natural wholesome juicy juice. I hope that his true ideals, if they are not the ideals of the banksters who back and pay for him, are bolstered by his supporters to the point where he does not need the banksters, the prison industrial complex, the military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical companies, the oil oligarchy, the drug cartels and the terrorists (AKA CIA).
I hope that in bringing the troops home, that he give them a much better health plan, free housing, education and mental support because they went to war on a dime that turned out to be a lie. I hope that he turns down every penny that comes from the invasions of Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan in the form of natural resources, especially water from the Great Man-made River in Libya.
I hope that you all support him away from the catastrophic war with Iran. And I hope that his supporters let him know how important it is to avoid at all cost getting behind world leaders dictators everywhere, and not just in a few choice countries. I hope that with all this rallying that his supporters are prepared to be there down to the wire and stand behind him on every human issue cause assassinating and imprisoning people or dropping drones on them because they have been labeled “enemy combatants, killing innocent women, and children at wedding parties is not humane.
I hope that after his next term in office, if he is victorious, his supporters will carry him on their shoulders and know that it was the work THEY DID that kept him on the path of truth and justice. And sadly, if he fails, I hope that his supporters will still carry him on their shoulders and take him into their homes and start the healing. For I am certain, that Barack Obama, had no idea of what he was getting into. The game of politics is cruel and unyielding in its AGENDA. Too many times this man has been crucified, hands tied behind his back and disrespected all with the adage “it comes with the territory.”
Cause if you want to push him back into the White House for any other reason, then he will continue to be ineffective in creating real change, and the slogan “Yes, We Can” is just a bunch of words. The “WE” in that slogan is every single person, making a conscious decision to cease and desist in supporting this criminal capitalistic warmongering racist/sexist government. http://p.datastomp.com/9/3/39.js
This country was founded by the so-called founding fathers group of self interests.
When they wrote those documents, many of them were slave owners and slaughterers of the Indigenous. They did not include blacks, natives or women in the documents and only after their “self-interests” were challenged did they make amendments to the original document. This is called cognitive dissonance.
What folks believe to be true really isn’t true at all but they cannot face the fact that they have been duped, so they would rather believe the lie, than face the truth. The trouble is that the lie becomes their reality, a reality that they fight and die for. Maybe it’s the psychological condition of many empires over the ages..
Pulling back the covers of history to reveal the truth of what these Empires were really about will cause a great shock, history is re-written to cover up the shock and keep the masses duped and patriotic about a lie. Then the people wake up and fight back against the lie, then the lie is either doctored, or blamed on mis-interpretation or blame on the “terrorists” who chose to fight the system of lies. After a while a “savior” is born whose puppeteer strings are invisible. This person appears to be able to bring all things together, the people resign to the NWO (which ain’t new at all) and go back to their jobs on the 9-5 slave ship.
The artists throughout the ages have always remained on the fringe of this process, and typically are the ones who begin the “stir” again. And the cycle continues. In this modern age, even the artists are challenged to see past the maze of lies and disinformation. But some of them are so doped that they lose credibility, even if they are on point. And so the saga continues.
This is a prison planet and you can best believe, there is an extraordinary number of options that have been tried, tested and implemented to keep the prison population in a non-aggressive stupor.
This country was founded by the so-called founding fathers group of self interests.
When they wrote those documents,many of them were slave owners and slaughterers of the Indigenous. They did not include blacks, natives or women in the documents and only after their “self-interests” were challenged did they make amendments to the original document. This is called cognitive dissonance.
What folks believe to be true really isn’t true at all but they cannot face the fact that they have been duped, so they would rather believe the lie, than face the truth. The trouble is that the lie becomes their reality, a reality that they fight and die for. Maybe it’s the psychological condition of many empires over the ages..
Pulling back the covers of history to reveal the truth of what these Empires were really about will cause a great shock, history is re-written to cover up the shock and keep the masses duped and patriotic about a lie. Then the people wake up and fight back against the lie, then the lie is either doctored, or blamed on mus-interpretation or blame on the “terrorists” who chose to fight the system of lies. After a while a “savior” is born whose puppeteer strings are invisible. This person appears to be able to bring all things together, the people resign to the NWO (which ain’t new at all) and go back to their jobs on the 9-5 slave ship.
The artists throughout the ages have always remained on the fringe of this process, and typically are the ones who begin the “stir” again. And the cycle continues. In this modern age, even the artists are challenged to see past the maze of lies and disinformation. But some of them are so doped that they lose credibility, even if they are on point. And so the saga continues.
This is a prison planet and you can best believe, there is an extraordinary number of options that have been tried, tested and implemented to keep the prison population in a non-aggressive stupor.
By: Amber KidMarie Howard Hi, Mommy. I’m your baby. You don’t know me yet, I’m only a few weeks old. You’re going to find out about me soon, though, I promise. Let me tell you some things about me. My name is John, and I’ve got beautiful brown eyes and black hair. Well, I don’t have it yet, but I will when I’m born. I’m going to be your only child, and you’ll call me your one and only. I’m going to grow up without a daddy mostly, but we have each other. We’ll help each other, and love each other. I want to be a doctor when I grow up.
You found out about me today, Mommy! You were so excited, you couldn’t wait to tell everyone. All you could do all day was smile, and life was perfect. You have a beautiful smile, Mommy. It will be the first face I will see in my life, and it will be the best thing I see in my life. I know it already.
Today was the day you told Daddy. You were so excited to tell him about me! …He wasn’t happy, Mommy. He kind of got angry. I don’t think that you noticed, but he did. He started to talk about something called wedlock, and money, and bills, and stuff I don’t think I understand yet. You were still happy, though, so it was okay. Then he did something scary, Mommy. He hit you. I could feel you fall backward, and your hands flying up to protect me. I was okay… but I was very sad for you. You were crying then, Mommy. That’s a sound I don’t like. It doesn’t make me feel good. It made me cry, too. He said sorry after, and he hugged you again. You forgave him, Mommy, but I’m not sure if I do. It wasn’t right. You say he loves you… why would he hurt you? I don’t like it, Mommy.
Finally, you can see me! Your stomach is a little bit bigger, and you’re so proud of me! You went out with your mommy to buy new clothes, and you were so so so happy. You sing to me, too. You have the most beautiful voice in the whole wide world. When you sing is when I’m happiest. And you talk to me, and I feel safe. So safe. You just wait and see, Mommy. When I am born I will be perfect just for you. I will make you proud, and I will love you with all of my heart.
I can move my hands and feet now, Mommy. I do it because you put your hands on your belly to feel me, and I giggle. You giggle, too. I love you, Mommy.
Daddy came to see you today, Mommy. I got really scared. He was acting funny and he wasn’t talking right. He said he didn’t want you. I don’t know why, but that’s what he said. And he hit you again. I got angry, Mommy. When I grow up I promise I won’t let you get hurt! I promise to protect you. Daddy is bad. I don’t care if you think that he is a good person, I think he’s bad. But he hit you, and he said he didn’t want us. He doesn’t like me. Why doesn’t he like me, Mommy?
You didn’t talk to me tonight, Mommy. Is everything okay?
It’s been three days since you saw Daddy. You haven’t talked to me or touched me or anything since that. Don’t you still love me, Mommy? I still love you. I think you feel sad. The only time I feel you is when you sleep. You sleep funny, kind of curled up on your side. And you hug me with your arms, and I feel safe and warm again. Why don’t you do that when you’re awake, any more?
I’m 21 weeks old today, Mommy. Aren’t you proud of me? We’re going somewhere today, and it’s somewhere new. I’m excited. It looks like a hospital, too. I want to be a doctor when I grow up, Mommy. Did I tell you that? I hope you’re as excited as I am. I can’t wait.
…Mommy, I’m getting scared. Your heart is still beating, but I don’t know what you are thinking. The doctor is talking to you. I think something’s going to happen soon. I’m really, really, really scared, Mommy. Please tell me you love me. Then I will feel safe again. I love you!
Mommy, what are they doing to me!? It hurts! Please make them stop! It feels bad! Please, Mommy, please please help me! Make them stop!
Don’t worry Mommy, I’m safe. I’m in heaven with the angels now. They told me what you did, and they said it’s called an abortion.
Why, Mommy? Why did you do it? Don’t you love me any more? Why did you get rid of me? I’m really, really, really sorry if I did something wrong, Mommy. I love you, Mommy! I love you with all of my heart. Why don’t you love me? What did I do to deserve what they did to me? I want to live, Mommy! Please! It really, really hurts to see you not care about me, and not talk to me. Didn’t I love you enough? Please say you’ll keep me, Mommy! I want to live smile and watch the clouds and see your face and grow up and be a doctor. I don’t want to be here, I want you to love me again! I’m really really really sorry if I did something wrong. I love you!
I love you, Mommy.
Every abortion is just…
One more heart that was stopped.
Two more eyes that will never see.
Two more hands that will never touch.
Two more legs that will never run.
One more mouth that will never speak.
My Rant on Abortion
This might sound weird, but this is to dramatic. It makes people cry, feel sad for the baby, call the mom all kinds of names and diss the dad. But it does not provide viable options for people, couples families, who are under duress.
Where are the social services the help feed, cloth, and education the children after they are born? Where is the financial assistance to help mothers stay home with their children, so they can go to the schools their children attend and be pro active in their child’s education? Where is the extended family that will support the rape victim who becomes pregnant?
And finally, these same folks who cry about abortions and how can anyone do that to their child, are meat eaters, go to circuses and zoos, wear leather clothes and shoes, wear furs, etc. have their animals neutered, and a host of other things they support that is being done to animals. These same people throw trash on the ground and care nothing about using plastics.
This is just a small comment, but it really gets me, when people generalize and go after others, when they are not offering a viable alternative.
Surely it is unfortunate situation for any pregnant woman to endure the termination of a pregnancy through an abortion, just ask any one who has had one. Emotionally and physically painful to have to come to the abortion clinic and remove a fetus from your womb, a living entity whose fluttering moves could be felt, but, where is the outcry, when these fetuses are aborted and then used in pharmaceuticals, make-up and experiments?
I’m just saying that we have to have a more overall view of what the real issues are, instead of blaming the victims.
By: Amber KidMarie Howard Hi, Mommy. I’m your baby. You don’t know me yet, I’m only a few weeks old. You’re going to find out about me soon, though, I promise. Let me tell you some things about me. My name is John, and I’ve got beautiful brown eyes and black hair. Well, I don’t have it yet, but I will when I’m born. I’m going to be your only child, and you’ll call me your one and only. I’m going to grow up without a daddy mostly, but we have each other. We’ll help each other, and love each other. I want to be a doctor when I grow up.
You found out about me today, Mommy! You were so excited, you couldn’t wait to tell everyone. All you could do all day was smile, and life was perfect. You have a beautiful smile, Mommy. It will be the first face I will see in my life, and it will be the best thing I see in my life. I know it already.
Today was the day you told Daddy. You were so excited to tell him about me! …He wasn’t happy, Mommy. He kind of got angry. I don’t think that you noticed, but he did. He started to talk about something called wedlock, and money, and bills, and stuff I don’t think I understand yet. You were still happy, though, so it was okay. Then he did something scary, Mommy. He hit you. I could feel you fall backward, and your hands flying up to protect me. I was okay… but I was very sad for you. You were crying then, Mommy. That’s a sound I don’t like. It doesn’t make me feel good. It made me cry, too. He said sorry after, and he hugged you again. You forgave him, Mommy, but I’m not sure if I do. It wasn’t right. You say he loves you… why would he hurt you? I don’t like it, Mommy.
Finally, you can see me! Your stomach is a little bit bigger, and you’re so proud of me! You went out with your mommy to buy new clothes, and you were so so so happy. You sing to me, too. You have the most beautiful voice in the whole wide world. When you sing is when I’m happiest. And you talk to me, and I feel safe. So safe. You just wait and see, Mommy. When I am born I will be perfect just for you. I will make you proud, and I will love you with all of my heart.
I can move my hands and feet now, Mommy. I do it because you put your hands on your belly to feel me, and I giggle. You giggle, too. I love you, Mommy.
Daddy came to see you today, Mommy. I got really scared. He was acting funny and he wasn’t talking right. He said he didn’t want you. I don’t know why, but that’s what he said. And he hit you again. I got angry, Mommy. When I grow up I promise I won’t let you get hurt! I promise to protect you. Daddy is bad. I don’t care if you think that he is a good person, I think he’s bad. But he hit you, and he said he didn’t want us. He doesn’t like me. Why doesn’t he like me, Mommy?
You didn’t talk to me tonight, Mommy. Is everything okay?
It’s been three days since you saw Daddy. You haven’t talked to me or touched me or anything since that. Don’t you still love me, Mommy? I still love you. I think you feel sad. The only time I feel you is when you sleep. You sleep funny, kind of curled up on your side. And you hug me with your arms, and I feel safe and warm again. Why don’t you do that when you’re awake, any more?
I’m 21 weeks old today, Mommy. Aren’t you proud of me? We’re going somewhere today, and it’s somewhere new. I’m excited. It looks like a hospital, too. I want to be a doctor when I grow up, Mommy. Did I tell you that? I hope you’re as excited as I am. I can’t wait.
…Mommy, I’m getting scared. Your heart is still beating, but I don’t know what you are thinking. The doctor is talking to you. I think something’s going to happen soon. I’m really, really, really scared, Mommy. Please tell me you love me. Then I will feel safe again. I love you!
Mommy, what are they doing to me!? It hurts! Please make them stop! It feels bad! Please, Mommy, please please help me! Make them stop!
Don’t worry Mommy, I’m safe. I’m in heaven with the angels now. They told me what you did, and they said it’s called an abortion.
Why, Mommy? Why did you do it? Don’t you love me any more? Why did you get rid of me? I’m really, really, really sorry if I did something wrong, Mommy. I love you, Mommy! I love you with all of my heart. Why don’t you love me? What did I do to deserve what they did to me? I want to live, Mommy! Please! It really, really hurts to see you not care about me, and not talk to me. Didn’t I love you enough? Please say you’ll keep me, Mommy! I want to live smile and watch the clouds and see your face and grow up and be a doctor. I don’t want to be here, I want you to love me again! I’m really really really sorry if I did something wrong. I love you!
I love you, Mommy.
Every abortion is just…
One more heart that was stopped.
Two more eyes that will never see.
Two more hands that will never touch.
Two more legs that will never run.
One more mouth that will never speak.
My Rant on Abortion
This might sound weird, but this is to dramatic. It makes people cry, feel sad for the baby, call the mom all kinds of names and diss the dad. But it does not provide viable options for people, couples families, who are under duress.
Where are the social services the help feed, cloth, and education the children after they are born? Where is the financial assistance to help mothers stay home with their children, so they can go to the schools their children attend and be pro active in their child’s education? Where is the extended family that will support the rape victim who becomes pregnant?
And finally, these same folks who cry about abortions and how can anyone do that to their child, are meat eaters, go to circuses and zoos, wear leather clothes and shoes, wear furs, etc. have their animals neutered, and a host of other things they support that is being done to animals. These same people throw trash on the ground and care nothing about using plastics.
This is just a small comment, but it really gets me, when people generalize and go after others, when they are not offering a viable alternative.
Surely it is unfortunate situation for any pregnant woman to endure the termination of a pregnancy through an abortion, just ask any one who has had one. Emotionally and physically painful to have to come to the abortion clinic and remove a fetus from your womb, a living entity whose fluttering moves could be felt, but, where is the outcry, when these fetuses are aborted and then used in pharmaceuticals, make-up and experiments?
I’m just saying that we have to have a more overall view of what the real issues are, instead of blaming the victims.
Where do European people come from. Modern Science has postulated that the European genotype comes from mutated Albinos who traveled and settled into the Caucus Mountains.
However recent findings have shown that Europeans have a significant amount of Neanderthal and Rhesus monkey DNA. This is the source of the Rh blood type. How on earth could such primitive DNA have entered into the European Bloodline? This would mean that all Europeans can trace their genetic ancestry back to the Rhesus Monkey.
As far as Africans are concerned, No African has been found to have any Neanderthal DNA or Rhesus Monkey DNA. There has been no foundational evolutionary origin for African people on the planet earth. We did not evolve from apes or hominids. We have always been this way. The different variants of hominids and primates come from the cosmic radiation that engulfed the Earth after the Lunar Earth Mars Catastrophe, but that is another story…
The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammed taught that A scientists named Yakub grafted the white man in a lab. There may actually be some truth to this story.
The Sanskrit epics Mahabharata and Ramayana speaks of a race of primates called Vanara that where grafted by King Rama to fight various wars.
King Rama is who Elijah Muhammed called Yakub. There may be some truth to his theory.
There are too many contradictory stories, myths and legends that surround the phenomenon of the human arrival on this planet. There is probably a morsel of truth in all stories, and since there are so many different types or ethnic groups, then there is probably a place on this planet that each story fits. Humanity has been robbed of its origin. Stories are created, and even the scientific ones are stories, which can be taken with a grain of salt, as it were. With the various stories dating back several centuries, it seems obvious to me, that we need some type of inner journeying to find the Ultimate reality of life on this planet.
I would venture to say, that all life on this planet and many others was transported/transplanted/genetically developed here. The species that could survive the environment continued to evolve, adapt and change. Who ever is the original is a mute point when perceived from the cosmic perspective.
We are all Cosmic beings taking a journey here till the next journey comes along. With the many disruptions this planet has suffered, how can we at this point be so certain who was here, and who survived the cataclysms.
This planet is on the tip of the Milky Way, a relative stop off point for galactic travelers who have come here checked out the sites, stayed or moved on.
The fighting over what came first the chicken or the egg is futile in the face of advance science and technology. In that world, the possibilities are endless. Genetic manipulations can create all types of life forms that do not adhere to our limited standards of what is possible.
I suggest we reach beyond this petty argument to the question of “What Star Systems” did the Human Species to earth come from. I suggest that we take a look at the Infinite Creation and its many possibilities and think, is the story of natural development on this planet the Law of the entire Universe? I suggest that we realize that from a vantage point outside of this Solar System, this is a planet inhabited by a plethora life forms and, that human beings in their variations demonstrate how magnificent Creation can be. Instead we want to argue about the bump on the butt of an Elephant and therefore never see the Elephant in its totality.
There is an extensive amount of debate on the subject of “What came first? The Chicken or the Egg?” Here are a few alternating views and personal opinions from various Answer.com users:
The Chicken
The answer is the chicken because God created all the animals not all the eggs. It’s easy because for those that believe in Him God made animals not eggs.
The chicken… it had to be because creatures in the sea evolved and they didn’t evolve into eggs now did they?
The chicken. The chicken has to be around to lay the egg.
Depends on what you believe. I believe the chicken came first. Since DNA can be modified only before birth, a mutation must have taken place at conception or within an egg such that an animal similar to a chicken, but not a chicken, laid the first chicken egg.
The chicken came first. How would the egg survive without the chicken? I also believe there is a protein that the egg is made of that the egg can only get from the chicken.
Using literature, the chicken comes first.
Using grammar, “the chicken” comes first in the sentence (They come before the words, “the egg.”)
In a dictionary, the word “chicken” comes before “egg.”
Recent studies now show that the chicken came first, because of the methodology of evolution. An egg cannot occur unless a bird, or in this case a chicken, is able to lay that egg.
The answer is the chicken: God created all the animals and not all the eggs. It’s easy because for those that believe in Him God made animals not eggs. The chicken because God wouldn’t just put a egg on the earth and even if he did nothing would warm the egg for it to hatch.
The chicken…it had to be. Creatures in the sea evolved and they didn’t evolve into eggs now, did they?
The chicken. It has to be around to lay the egg.
In the seven days that God created the earth, it makes no mention of animals’ eggs. Thus, the chicken came first.
I say that the chicken came first because the chicken was made before the egg because God made all the animals first and birds and etc….. so the chicken came first before the egg, the eggs came when a male (rooster) and a female chicken repopulate with each other.
The chicken came first because, if the chicken didn’t come first, there would be no egg or care for it. So, God had to make the chicken first.
If you are an evolutionist, you probably think that the chicken evolved from a dinosaur or something. But the chicken came first; if you think about it, how was the chicken alive before the egg.
The Egg
The Answer to this is the egg! the reason for this is that for an animal to change, its genetics would have to change also and this is impossible. Therefore the change would have to take place as an embryo or egg. so the first chicken was most likely spawned in prehistoric times as an embryo/egg. Concluding that the first living organism had to come from the form of an egg or embryo.
The egg would have come first laid from another animal when it was hatched it was that animal but had to move its habitat so it had to adjust and became the chicken.
Theoretically, the egg must come first. A chicken is conceived and born in an egg; therefore, without the egg the chicken could not have been either conceived or born, it may be that the egg was the product of two different species accidentally mating to conceive the egg that contained the first, “chicken” as we know it. the egg came first, think about it logically, instead of trying to question it, there is no other logical/practical conclusion.
The egg came first. Two animals who really liked each other and were not the same breed, mated and the female laid an egg and it came out a chicken. They didn’t know what to call it so they just named it chicken. Therefore the chicken is a crossbreed. I don’t know what between though.
The egg came first. Dinosaurs laid eggs for millions of years before chickens were present on Earth.
The egg came first because other animals i.e dinosaurs or prehistoric birds (chickens) would’ve laid the egg that hatched to become classed as the first chicken.
What came first, the prehistoric bird or its egg? The egg came first. Definitely.
The ‘chicken or the egg’ dilemma has been frequently asked as “What came first, the chicken or the egg?”. This question baffles many people so it proves that the askers: 1. Have never been taught the theory of evolution. 2. Don’t believe the theory of evolution. With these parameters, the answer becomes obvious. Birds evolved from reptiles, and reptiles evolved from the dinosaurs, so a dinosaur lays an egg – dinosaurs become extinct – the egg remains – and hatches into a new reptile. The older reptiles lay an egg – they evolve into birds – and a bird comes out. Well if you use common sense the egg came first. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a chickens egg. The egg came first. Dinosaurs were laying them before the chicken appeared on Earth.
The egg, dinosaurs were laying them far before the chicken’s existence.
The answer is the egg! For an animal to change, its genetics would have to change also and this is impossible. Therefore the change would have to take place as an embryo or egg. So the first chicken was most likely spawned in prehistoric times as an embryo/egg. Concluding that the first living organism had to come from the form of an egg or embryo.
The egg would have come first laid from another animal when it was hatched it was that animal but had to move its habitat so it had to adjust and became the chicken.
Theoretically, the egg must come first. A chicken is conceived and born in an egg; therefore, without the egg the chicken could not have been either conceived or born, it may be that the egg was the product of two different species accidentally mating to conceive the egg that contained the first, “chicken” as we know it. the egg came first, think about it logically, instead of trying to question it, there is no other logical/practical conclusion.
The egg came first. Two animals who really liked each other and were not the same breed, mated and the female laid an egg and it came out a chicken. They didn’t know what to call it so they just named it chicken. Therefore the chicken is a crossbreed. I don’t know what between though.
The egg came first. Dinosaurs laid eggs for millions of years before chickens were present on Earth.
The egg came first because other animals came before the chicken that had eggs of some kind. One kind are the fish in the seas; fish lay eggs. Another are snakes; snakes also lay eggs.
A chicken could not have its genetic material altered during life, so the egg must have evolved and been first.
If you take into account the doctrine of evolution, the egg’s coming first becomes plausible on the cellular level under perfect circumstances (abundant food and resources). There will be an asexual reproduction once the environment becomes unfavorable. The species would then evolve, and a lot of animals have no parental instincts but through evolution some have started to look after their young.
An asexual reproduction is reproduction in which there is no fusion of male and female sex cells gametes.
The egg came first because the chicken descended from a dinosaur, and it laid an egg that was changed from Darwin’s theory.
The egg came first because a chicken comes from an egg. At whatever point you decide to call the chicken a true chicken, it must have come from an egg. Because the different species before it must have evolved to make a chicken, the egg came first
The egg comes first because a bird a long long time ago evolving into a chicken lays an egg which hatches into a chicken.
An egg comes first, because dinosaurs laid eggs, and chickens didnt exist at that time.
Simple. The Egg.
Egg. I am not trained in philosophy, but my reasoning is simple and seems solid to me. If it was not born from an egg, it would not meet the definition of chicken so it must have come from an egg. A bird that is not a chicken can still lay an egg with a chicken in it if there is a genetic abnormality in the egg being laid. Because chickens were not the first life form on earth, it conforms to our current scientific understanding that the first ever chicken to be born was a genetic abnormality. Because genetic abnormalities that survive are not substantially different from the original, it is very likely that the parent of the chicken was genetically very similar to a chicken and was an egg layer. The first chicken was a genetic abnormality born from an egg that was laid by a similar parent that was not genetically similar enough to meet the definition of ‘Chicken’.
The egg came first. Darwin’s Theory of Evolution infers genetic adaptation. This adaptation occurs when parents’ DNA is copied inaccurately throughout a species and the strongest of the adaptations survive. The male and female chickens DNA is copied during the mitosis/meiosis process and form the gametes that go on to form the blastocyte/morula/foetus in the egg – so the egg came first.
Neither
Isn’t it both? Because the chicken would have to teach the chick how to do stuff and the egg to reproduce the chickens.
The chickens most recent ancestor laid the egg. Think of it this way: along the slow and steady evolution from single celled organisms to full fledged modern chickens, at some point, if you could observe every animal in that evolutionary line, you would have to say, “well, this one’s not a chicken, but the next one is.” The line simply must be drawn somewhere. So whatever egg that the first chicken hatched from would have come first!
There is no final answer but the most reasonable conclusion is that a certain breed of dinosaur laid an egg, then a period of extremely cold weather preserved the egg. Whilst that occurred the egg genetic form was rearranged into a creature similar to the chicken. At first the animal could have been very different from the chicken we know today but over time it changed into the chicken form we are so familiar with today.
The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl.
There is some disagreement about the pseudo-philosophical question “Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg?” Those of us who believe that the account of creation found in the Book of Genesis is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth believe that, like everything else, chickens were created fully formed, by magic, and therefore tend to claim that the chicken must have come before the egg. Of course the Bible does not spell it out one way or the other, and for all they know, God created the chicken by causing a fertilized chicken egg to manifest first. Those of us who rely on Biblical poetry for our spiritual truth and on science for our understanding of the material world dismiss the question as childish nonsense, but if pressed will more likely claim that the egg must have “come first,” having been laid by a bird that was almost, but not exactly, a chicken itself.
It depends on how you see the question. The chicken might come first if “it was the result of years of genetic engineering by mother nature”. The egg might have come first if “it was the result of an unexpected mutation inside another animal’s (bird) egg”. None of them, if “the specie was developed in centuries of slow natural selection process”.
Let us begin our discussion with the question properly posed: “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” Now, this is a brain-teaser, a rhetorical form called a paradox, intended to be finally unanswerable. It is not a question about natural history for which a “correct” answer may -or may not- be discovered. Trying to answer it in real-world terms is like trying to design a runcible spoon, or to find meaning in superfragilisticexpialidocious: missing the point and not getting the joke. Still, the complacency of some of the Wikianswers on the subject cannot be allowed to pass without comment, in my opinion. It is incorrect to claim that the chicken came first on Biblical grounds. God created the chicken, along with everything else, as it says in the Bible. But of course, the Bible does not spell out any of the mechanics of God’s creation – that’s the job of science, after all – and so for all we know from the Biblical account, God created all oviparous creatures egg-first. Clever ol’ God, that’s just how He would do it.
Isn’t it both? Because the chicken would have to teach the chick how to do stuff and the egg to reproduce the chickens.
The chickens most recent ancestor laid the egg. Think of it this way: along the slow and steady evolution from single celled organisms to full fledged modern chickens, at some point, if you could observe every animal in that evolutionary line, you would have to say, “well, this one’s not a chicken, but the next one is.” The line simply must be drawn somewhere. So whatever egg that the first chicken hatched from would have come first!
There is no final answer but the most reasonable conclusion is that a certain breed of dinosaur laid an egg, then a period of extremely cold weather preserved the egg. Whilst that occurred the egg genetic form was rearranged into a creature similar to the chicken. At first the animal could have been very different from the chicken we know today but over time it changed into the chicken form we are so familiar with today.
Neither the chicken, nor the egg came first. It was the rooster that came first.
The egg and the chicken came at the same time. The chicken and the egg are just two different names for the same process or being. It’s like water on its way to becoming ice is still water, and vice versa.
Darwin’s theory; the chicken egg came from a different species.
There is no answer. Since the question is a paradox, there is no answer. If the chicken came first, it came from the egg. If the egg came first, then it came from a chicken, and so forth.
Evolution suggests that both chickens and eggs evolved from creatures and “egg-things” you would not recognize to be part of the lineage. (Similar to how, in the very distant past, some molecule[s] that was [were] not what we would call “life” became “life”.) That was the beginning.
There is no correct answer that can be proven. It’s all theory.
This question has been debated about so many times but no-one really knows. It is undecided.
I think its both because the chicken wouldn’t have been born without a female parent and the female parent would most likely came first in an egg also given birth by the mother.
Additional information:
Without some very serious scientific intervention an egg cannot be produced independently of its parent’s body, whether that parent is a chicken, a lizard, or a spider.
So the chicken had to be there first, for the egg to form. Scientific researchers at the University of Sheffield in England published a report – see link below – in July 2010 confirming this, although their research is more concerned with shells in general: eggs were produced by the earliest egg-producing creatures millennia before chickens evolved.
The scientists involved in this research weren’t interested in solving unsolvable riddles, but in discovering more about how shells are formed.
The question of whether the chicken or the egg came first can never be answered: it is unanswerable. One can work out which came first, the wheel or the wheeled vehicle, because one caused the invention of the other, but when we look at life-forms we cannot say with any degree of authority whether the grass seed came before the blade of grass, or whether the bird came before the egg, because life simply doesn’t work in terms of traceable inventions.
Today we can taste a delicious new strain of tomato and know the seed that produced that improved tomato was developed from tomato plants considered to be less delicious: this new seed came first, before this new tomato. But it came after the other, less delicious, tomato, and that tomato’s seeds came before it, and so on…
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Where do European people come from. Modern Science has postulated that the European genotype comes from mutated Albinos who traveled and settled into the Caucus Mountains. However recent findings have shown that Europeans have a significant amount of Neanderthal and Rhesus monkey DNA. This is the source of the Rh blood type. How on earth could such primitive DNA have entered into the European Bloodline? This would mean that all Europeans can trace their genetic ancestry back to the Rhesus Monkey. As far as Africans are concerned, No African has been found to have any Neanderthal DNA or Rhesus Monkey DNA. There has been no foundational evolutionary origin for African people on the planet earth. We did not evolve from apes or hominids. We have always been this way. The different variants of hominids and primates come from the cosmic radiation that engulfed the Earth after the Lunar Earth Mars Catastrophe, but that is another story… The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammed taught that A scientists named Yakub grafted the white man in a lab. There may actually be some truth to this story. The Sanskrit epics Mahabharata and Ramayana speaks of a race of primates called Vanara that where grafted by King Rama to fight various wars. King Rama is who Elijah Muhammed called Yakub. There may be some truth to his theory.
There are too many contradictory stories, myths and legends that surround the phenomenon of the human arrival on this planet. There is probably a morsel of truth in all stories, and since there are so many different types or ethnic groups, then there is probably a place on this planet that each story fits. Humanity has been robbed of its origin. Stories are created, and even the scientific ones are stories, which can be taken with a grain of salt, as it were. With the various stories dating back several centuries, it seems obvious to me, that we need some type of inner journeying to find the Ultimate reality of life on this planet.
I would venture to say, that all life on this planet and many others was transported/transplanted/genetically developed here. The species that could survive the environment continued to evolve, adapt and change. Who ever is the original is a mute point when perceived from the cosmic perspective.
We are all Cosmic beings taking a journey here till the next journey comes along. With the many disruptions this planet has suffered, how can we at this point be so certain who was here, and who survived the cataclysms.
This planet is on the tip of the Milky Way, a relative stop off point for galactic travelers who have come here checked out the sites, stayed or moved on.
The fighting over what came first the chicken or the egg is futile in the face of advance science and technology. In that world, the possibilities are endless. Genetic manipulations can create all types of life forms that do not adhere to our limited standards of what is possible.
I suggest we reach beyond this petty argument to the question of “What Star Systems” did the Human Species to earth come from. I suggest that we take a look at the Infinite Creation and its many possibilities and think, is the story of natural development on this planet the Law of the entire Universe? I suggest that we realize that from a vantage point outside of this Solar System, this is a planet inhabited by a plethora life forms and, that human beings in their variations demonstrate how magnificent Creation can be. Instead we want to argue about the bump on the butt of an Elephant and therefore never see the Elephant in its totality.
There is an extensive amount of debate on the subject of “What came first? The Chicken or the Egg?” Here are a few alternating views and personal opinions from various Answer.com users:
The Chicken
The answer is the chicken because God created all the animals not all the eggs. It’s easy because for those that believe in Him God made animals not eggs.
The chicken… it had to be because creatures in the sea evolved and they didn’t evolve into eggs now did they?
The chicken. The chicken has to be around to lay the egg.
Depends on what you believe. I believe the chicken came first. Since DNA can be modified only before birth, a mutation must have taken place at conception or within an egg such that an animal similar to a chicken, but not a chicken, laid the first chicken egg.
The chicken came first. How would the egg survive without the chicken? I also believe there is a protein that the egg is made of that the egg can only get from the chicken.
Using literature, the chicken comes first.
Using grammar, “the chicken” comes first in the sentence (They come before the words, “the egg.”)
In a dictionary, the word “chicken” comes before “egg.”
Recent studies now show that the chicken came first, because of the methodology of evolution. An egg cannot occur unless a bird, or in this case a chicken, is able to lay that egg.
The answer is the chicken: God created all the animals and not all the eggs. It’s easy because for those that believe in Him God made animals not eggs. The chicken because God wouldn’t just put a egg on the earth and even if he did nothing would warm the egg for it to hatch.
The chicken…it had to be. Creatures in the sea evolved and they didn’t evolve into eggs now, did they?
The chicken. It has to be around to lay the egg.
In the seven days that God created the earth, it makes no mention of animals’ eggs. Thus, the chicken came first.
I say that the chicken came first because the chicken was made before the egg because God made all the animals first and birds and etc….. so the chicken came first before the egg, the eggs came when a male (rooster) and a female chicken repopulate with each other.
The chicken came first because, if the chicken didn’t come first, there would be no egg or care for it. So, God had to make the chicken first.
If you are an evolutionist, you probably think that the chicken evolved from a dinosaur or something. But the chicken came first; if you think about it, how was the chicken alive before the egg.
The Egg
The Answer to this is the egg! the reason for this is that for an animal to change, its genetics would have to change also and this is impossible. Therefore the change would have to take place as an embryo or egg. so the first chicken was most likely spawned in prehistoric times as an embryo/egg. Concluding that the first living organism had to come from the form of an egg or embryo.
The egg would have come first laid from another animal when it was hatched it was that animal but had to move its habitat so it had to adjust and became the chicken.
Theoretically, the egg must come first. A chicken is conceived and born in an egg; therefore, without the egg the chicken could not have been either conceived or born, it may be that the egg was the product of two different species accidentally mating to conceive the egg that contained the first, “chicken” as we know it. the egg came first, think about it logically, instead of trying to question it, there is no other logical/practical conclusion.
The egg came first. Two animals who really liked each other and were not the same breed, mated and the female laid an egg and it came out a chicken. They didn’t know what to call it so they just named it chicken. Therefore the chicken is a crossbreed. I don’t know what between though.
The egg came first. Dinosaurs laid eggs for millions of years before chickens were present on Earth.
The egg came first because other animals i.e dinosaurs or prehistoric birds (chickens) would’ve laid the egg that hatched to become classed as the first chicken.
What came first, the prehistoric bird or its egg? The egg came first. Definitely.
The ‘chicken or the egg’ dilemma has been frequently asked as “What came first, the chicken or the egg?”. This question baffles many people so it proves that the askers: 1. Have never been taught the theory of evolution. 2. Don’t believe the theory of evolution. With these parameters, the answer becomes obvious. Birds evolved from reptiles, and reptiles evolved from the dinosaurs, so a dinosaur lays an egg – dinosaurs become extinct – the egg remains – and hatches into a new reptile. The older reptiles lay an egg – they evolve into birds – and a bird comes out. Well if you use common sense the egg came first. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a chickens egg. The egg came first. Dinosaurs were laying them before the chicken appeared on Earth.
The egg, dinosaurs were laying them far before the chicken’s existence.
The answer is the egg! For an animal to change, its genetics would have to change also and this is impossible. Therefore the change would have to take place as an embryo or egg. So the first chicken was most likely spawned in prehistoric times as an embryo/egg. Concluding that the first living organism had to come from the form of an egg or embryo.
The egg would have come first laid from another animal when it was hatched it was that animal but had to move its habitat so it had to adjust and became the chicken.
Theoretically, the egg must come first. A chicken is conceived and born in an egg; therefore, without the egg the chicken could not have been either conceived or born, it may be that the egg was the product of two different species accidentally mating to conceive the egg that contained the first, “chicken” as we know it. the egg came first, think about it logically, instead of trying to question it, there is no other logical/practical conclusion.
The egg came first. Two animals who really liked each other and were not the same breed, mated and the female laid an egg and it came out a chicken. They didn’t know what to call it so they just named it chicken. Therefore the chicken is a crossbreed. I don’t know what between though.
The egg came first. Dinosaurs laid eggs for millions of years before chickens were present on Earth.
The egg came first because other animals came before the chicken that had eggs of some kind. One kind are the fish in the seas; fish lay eggs. Another are snakes; snakes also lay eggs.
A chicken could not have its genetic material altered during life, so the egg must have evolved and been first.
If you take into account the doctrine of evolution, the egg’s coming first becomes plausible on the cellular level under perfect circumstances (abundant food and resources). There will be an asexual reproduction once the environment becomes unfavorable. The species would then evolve, and a lot of animals have no parental instincts but through evolution some have started to look after their young.
An asexual reproduction is reproduction in which there is no fusion of male and female sex cells gametes.
The egg came first because the chicken descended from a dinosaur, and it laid an egg that was changed from Darwin’s theory.
The egg came first because a chicken comes from an egg. At whatever point you decide to call the chicken a true chicken, it must have come from an egg. Because the different species before it must have evolved to make a chicken, the egg came first
The egg comes first because a bird a long long time ago evolving into a chicken lays an egg which hatches into a chicken.
An egg comes first, because dinosaurs laid eggs, and chickens didnt exist at that time.
Simple. The Egg.
Egg. I am not trained in philosophy, but my reasoning is simple and seems solid to me. If it was not born from an egg, it would not meet the definition of chicken so it must have come from an egg. A bird that is not a chicken can still lay an egg with a chicken in it if there is a genetic abnormality in the egg being laid. Because chickens were not the first life form on earth, it conforms to our current scientific understanding that the first ever chicken to be born was a genetic abnormality. Because genetic abnormalities that survive are not substantially different from the original, it is very likely that the parent of the chicken was genetically very similar to a chicken and was an egg layer. The first chicken was a genetic abnormality born from an egg that was laid by a similar parent that was not genetically similar enough to meet the definition of ‘Chicken’.
The egg came first. Darwin’s Theory of Evolution infers genetic adaptation. This adaptation occurs when parents’ DNA is copied inaccurately throughout a species and the strongest of the adaptations survive. The male and female chickens DNA is copied during the mitosis/meiosis process and form the gametes that go on to form the blastocyte/morula/foetus in the egg – so the egg came first.
Neither
Isn’t it both? Because the chicken would have to teach the chick how to do stuff and the egg to reproduce the chickens.
The chickens most recent ancestor laid the egg. Think of it this way: along the slow and steady evolution from single celled organisms to full fledged modern chickens, at some point, if you could observe every animal in that evolutionary line, you would have to say, “well, this one’s not a chicken, but the next one is.” The line simply must be drawn somewhere. So whatever egg that the first chicken hatched from would have come first!
There is no final answer but the most reasonable conclusion is that a certain breed of dinosaur laid an egg, then a period of extremely cold weather preserved the egg. Whilst that occurred the egg genetic form was rearranged into a creature similar to the chicken. At first the animal could have been very different from the chicken we know today but over time it changed into the chicken form we are so familiar with today.
The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl.
There is some disagreement about the pseudo-philosophical question “Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg?” Those of us who believe that the account of creation found in the Book of Genesis is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth believe that, like everything else, chickens were created fully formed, by magic, and therefore tend to claim that the chicken must have come before the egg. Of course the Bible does not spell it out one way or the other, and for all they know, God created the chicken by causing a fertilized chicken egg to manifest first. Those of us who rely on Biblical poetry for our spiritual truth and on science for our understanding of the material world dismiss the question as childish nonsense, but if pressed will more likely claim that the egg must have “come first,” having been laid by a bird that was almost, but not exactly, a chicken itself.
It depends on how you see the question. The chicken might come first if “it was the result of years of genetic engineering by mother nature”. The egg might have come first if “it was the result of an unexpected mutation inside another animal’s (bird) egg”. None of them, if “the specie was developed in centuries of slow natural selection process”.
Let us begin our discussion with the question properly posed: “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” Now, this is a brain-teaser, a rhetorical form called a paradox, intended to be finally unanswerable. It is not a question about natural history for which a “correct” answer may -or may not- be discovered. Trying to answer it in real-world terms is like trying to design a runcible spoon, or to find meaning in superfragilisticexpialidocious: missing the point and not getting the joke. Still, the complacency of some of the Wikianswers on the subject cannot be allowed to pass without comment, in my opinion. It is incorrect to claim that the chicken came first on Biblical grounds. God created the chicken, along with everything else, as it says in the Bible. But of course, the Bible does not spell out any of the mechanics of God’s creation – that’s the job of science, after all – and so for all we know from the Biblical account, God created all oviparous creatures egg-first. Clever ol’ God, that’s just how He would do it.
Isn’t it both? Because the chicken would have to teach the chick how to do stuff and the egg to reproduce the chickens.
The chickens most recent ancestor laid the egg. Think of it this way: along the slow and steady evolution from single celled organisms to full fledged modern chickens, at some point, if you could observe every animal in that evolutionary line, you would have to say, “well, this one’s not a chicken, but the next one is.” The line simply must be drawn somewhere. So whatever egg that the first chicken hatched from would have come first!
There is no final answer but the most reasonable conclusion is that a certain breed of dinosaur laid an egg, then a period of extremely cold weather preserved the egg. Whilst that occurred the egg genetic form was rearranged into a creature similar to the chicken. At first the animal could have been very different from the chicken we know today but over time it changed into the chicken form we are so familiar with today.
Neither the chicken, nor the egg came first. It was the rooster that came first.
The egg and the chicken came at the same time. The chicken and the egg are just two different names for the same process or being. It’s like water on its way to becoming ice is still water, and vice versa.
Darwin’s theory; the chicken egg came from a different species.
There is no answer. Since the question is a paradox, there is no answer. If the chicken came first, it came from the egg. If the egg came first, then it came from a chicken, and so forth.
Evolution suggests that both chickens and eggs evolved from creatures and “egg-things” you would not recognize to be part of the lineage. (Similar to how, in the very distant past, some molecule[s] that was [were] not what we would call “life” became “life”.) That was the beginning.
There is no correct answer that can be proven. It’s all theory.
This question has been debated about so many times but no-one really knows. It is undecided.
I think its both because the chicken wouldn’t have been born without a female parent and the female parent would most likely came first in an egg also given birth by the mother.
Additional information:
Without some very serious scientific intervention an egg cannot be produced independently of its parent’s body, whether that parent is a chicken, a lizard, or a spider.
So the chicken had to be there first, for the egg to form. Scientific researchers at the University of Sheffield in England published a report – see link below – in July 2010 confirming this, although their research is more concerned with shells in general: eggs were produced by the earliest egg-producing creatures millennia before chickens evolved.
The scientists involved in this research weren’t interested in solving unsolvable riddles, but in discovering more about how shells are formed.
The question of whether the chicken or the egg came first can never be answered: it is unanswerable. One can work out which came first, the wheel or the wheeled vehicle, because one caused the invention of the other, but when we look at life-forms we cannot say with any degree of authority whether the grass seed came before the blade of grass, or whether the bird came before the egg, because life simply doesn’t work in terms of traceable inventions.
Today we can taste a delicious new strain of tomato and know the seed that produced that improved tomato was developed from tomato plants considered to be less delicious: this new seed came first, before this new tomato. But it came after the other, less delicious, tomato, and that tomato’s seeds came before it, and so on…
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Mitt Romney “The Millionaire” now has a Running Mate, Paul Ryan “The Extremist”.
It doesn’t matter if Ryan is an Extremist or not, the entire media and all Democrats are calling him one. This is a form of Brainwashing. All the American People will hear from now to the Election are the word Extremist, whenever Ryan’s name is used.
He has already been defined. Designed to Fail!
In today’s economic climate, “The Millionaire” (also already defined/designed to fail) was the guaranteed loser. But just so there would be no doubt, they tied “The Millionaire” to “The Extremist”.
A Millionaire and a Extremist versus President Obama. No Contest. The Media will and are hyping it like some sort of Contest, but it’s not.
Add to that, “The Millionaires” recent stance; Romney Defends Decision Not To Release More Tax Returns, Says He’s ‘Not A Business’ (Huff Post 8/11). That should go over real good with the public.
But it doesn’t matter and he knows it. He was never chosen to be President. He’s just a “Fill-In” to make the people think they have a chose. They don’t. The chose was made for them a long time ago. This is all part of the illusion sleeping American’s are still living under.
And American’s are very asleep. We are so asleep, we can’t count our own votes, so President Obama made a government deal to have a company in Spain count the majority of all U.S. Votes through a company called S.C.Y.T.L. It was never all over the news. In fact it was highly censored to this day in all Media.
Can’t have American’s knowing that all their votes are going over seas to be counted because they are to stupid to count their own votes.
You can’t have American’s knowing that their Democracy has been “Outsourced” to a foreign Country and their votes are being counted by a Multi-National Corporation with strong Banking Ties. That just won’t do.
In a Deal arranged by the current President. This is so silly, it’s absurd.
That’s like you or I picking and paying the people to count votes to see if I am elected again. This is what is known as “Governmental Vote Fraud”. System wide government vote Fraud!
So President Obama was never in any danger of not being re-elected. Never!
This show is just to keep the workings hidden and none questioning the outcome.
Today, the True Rulers Of This World, just gave their Blessings to President Obama and just Doomed the Romney Campaign to Utter Destruction and Failure.
Who would question the defeat of a Millionaire and a Extremist for President and Vice President of the U.S.
Nobody. And that’s the blatantly obvious plan!
They think we are so stupid, they have to spell it out big and loud, or it would pass right by most American’s.
And the fact that Ryan is young and inexperienced will remind people of Palin, whom by the way, you don’t hear as much about these days.
Romney, Ryan Appear Together As Running Mates – Huff Post
NORFOLK, Va. — Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney is appearing alongside his running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.
Romney says Ryan is a man of what he calls “great steadiness” and “unquestioned integrity.” The former Massachusetts governor says Ryan is a “shining exception” in a political world of pettiness.
The two appeared together for the first time as the Republican presidential ticket on Saturday morning in Virginia. They faced supporters while standing on the USS Wisconsin, a retired World War II battleship.
Just hours after his campaign confirmed Ryan as his selection, Romney says Ryan won’t demonize his opponents. Romney says that Democrats may disagree with Ryan’s policies, but he doesn’t know anyone who doesn’t respect his character and judgment.
Mitt Romney “The Millionaire” now has a Running Mate, Paul Ryan “The Extremist”.
It doesn’t matter if Ryan is an Extremist or not, the entire media and all Democrats are calling him one. This is a form of Brainwashing. All the American People will hear from now to the Election are the word Extremist, whenever Ryan’s name is used.
He has already been defined. Designed to Fail!
In today’s economic climate, “The Millionaire” (also already defined/designed to fail) was the guaranteed loser. But just so there would be no doubt, they tied “The Millionaire” to “The Extremist”.
A Millionaire and a Extremist versus President Obama. No Contest. The Media will and are hyping it like some sort of Contest, but it’s not.
Add to that, “The Millionaires” recent stance; Romney Defends Decision Not To Release More Tax Returns, Says He’s ‘Not A Business’ (Huff Post 8/11). That should go over real good with the public.
But it doesn’t matter and he knows it. He was never chosen to be President. He’s just a “Fill-In” to make the people think they have a chose. They don’t. The chose was made for them a long time ago. This is all part of the illusion sleeping American’s are still living under.
And American’s are very asleep. We are so asleep, we can’t count our own votes, so President Obama made a government deal to have a company in Spain count the majority of all U.S. Votes through a company called S.C.Y.T.L. It was never all over the news. In fact it was highly censored to this day in all Media.
Can’t have American’s knowing that all their votes are going over seas to be counted because they are to stupid to count their own votes.
You can’t have American’s knowing that their Democracy has been “Outsourced” to a foreign Country and their votes are being counted by a Multi-National Corporation with strong Banking Ties. That just won’t do.
In a Deal arranged by the current President. This is so silly, it’s absurd.
That’s like you or I picking and paying the people to count votes to see if I am elected again. This is what is known as “Governmental Vote Fraud”. System wide government vote Fraud!
So President Obama was never in any danger of not being re-elected. Never!
This show is just to keep the workings hidden and none questioning the outcome. Today, the True Rulers Of This World, just gave their Blessings to President Obama and just Doomed the Romney Campaign to Utter Destruction and Failure.
Who would question the defeat of a Millionaire and a Extremist for President and Vice President of the U.S.
Nobody. And that’s the blatantly obvious plan!
They think we are so stupid, they have to spell it out big and loud, or it would pass right by most American’s.
And the fact that Ryan is young and inexperienced will remind people of Palin, whom by the way, you don’t hear as much about these days.
Romney, Ryan Appear Together As Running Mates – Huff Post
NORFOLK, Va. — Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney is appearing alongside his running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.
Romney says Ryan is a man of what he calls “great steadiness” and “unquestioned integrity.” The former Massachusetts governor says Ryan is a “shining exception” in a political world of pettiness.
The two appeared together for the first time as the Republican presidential ticket on Saturday morning in Virginia. They faced supporters while standing on the USS Wisconsin, a retired World War II battleship.
Just hours after his campaign confirmed Ryan as his selection, Romney says Ryan won’t demonize his opponents. Romney says that Democrats may disagree with Ryan’s policies, but he doesn’t know anyone who doesn’t respect his character and judgment.
Voting For Obama Because he is Black????by Nana Baakan Agyiriwah on Sunday, March 18, 2012 at 10:58pm
I find it quite troubling that after the many declarations of skills, talents, ability, wisdom, knowledge and understanding herald by African peoples past and present world wide for millions of years on this planet, that we, having only been under the USA/European Slavery system for some four+ hundred years, have devolved to the point of choosing a leader because he is black, and there ain’t nobody else out there. What has this whole nation become? A nation of take the lesser of two evils?? Why do we have to choose evil at all??
The President of the United States is not only representing African people, but supposedly he is a world representative and in some perceptions, the representative of the greatest country in the world, a world leader, et al, and we vote for him simply because he is black, or we feel we are taboo to express our concerns over the policies of this man in black skin.
How is it that on his watch the US has engaged in 3 war campaigns, drone attacks on other sovereign countries and what we saw without regard in Libya, sending troops deep into Africa, and now this Kony thing? These are military operations and we all know what military operations look like. Why is there no challenge to this, or, if folks are so happy about the Health Care legislation, much of those dollars that are spent on war could certainly be spent here in the US, and build infrastructure and develop genuine green energy.
Why is it okay, to look the other way, and say, well, he is black and he is all we have and we have been fighting for our seat at the table for 4 hundred years, instead of looking at the table, see what is being served, check out the room the table is in, then look outside at the neighborhood? Have we become so desperate for leadership, that we will take anything that is thrown at us? Why are people ignoring the aides, backers and financial supporter of Pres. Barack Obama? Why are they stepping over this elephant in the room so they can claim they lived during the time when a Black man was President of the United States.
There have been many African Presidents, Rulers, kings and monarchs, does that mean that they too were above reproach, and therefore their misdeeds could be overlooked, and no one is ever called to task? Is that what happened to the many African nations that have dropped the ball on their developments because the people did not, would not see beyond the corruption?
Again, it is quite troubling to me, that the reason folks are voting for Obama again is because he is black, or, on the other side of the aisle he is being mis-treated by them white folks who don’t want to see no black folks get anywhere. Folks we need to wake up. The fact that he is still in office proves that the “Important White Folks who run this country” want him there. The media talking heads are all on board the good ship lollipop because they are being told and paid to do so. As soon as the tied changes, they too will change and pull out all the dirt and grime they can.
Bottom-line, it is flimsy to support any person in such a high position because of their ethnicity. Since these people will be on the front lines for all folks in this country, they need to have top notch skills to maintain that position on the front lines. They need to know what is going on domestically and globally as it relates to economic, politics, world affairs cultures, religions, societal norms, manners, and etiquette, along with a strong sense of the seriousness of their position as it relates to world peace and maintaining a peaceful environment at the home base. They need to be scholars in all the fields that are needed to govern a whole nation properly. This may sound like a tall task but if they are at least familiar with the nuts and bolts of this kind of leadership, they will call around them folks to advise them that are highly eligible to advise a President. In this way, when they receive advise that is non-supportive of the original agenda, then they can make a determination and have the person step down from the position of adviser.
The President should be keenly aware that the decisions he makes will reflect back on him and not on the advisers behind him. So they should be chosen appropriately. This will probably sound rather idealistic and probably unrealistic, but my point is that we need to get there in our own discernment, before we take this ship down to hell!! Waving an American flag with Obama’s face on it!!!!! What does that mean???
21:0716/03/2012The world, friends, is a preposterous place. I thought that this week when, intending to write a newsy column, I started perusing headlines. Very soon my head was aching from all the absurdity and violence.>>
This whole thing is a very serious situation happening in front of our eyes. The mockery is full scale up and down and across the board. It is as if the PTB are having the greatest laugh of all times!! The blatant maneuvers at hoodwinking the public in plain view is astonishing. There is no clear, strong and supported opposition to Obama. He will win by default, while these folks, except Ron Paul, speak of the real issues, they are only actors in the grand scheme and very poor ones at that. Whatever they say about Ron Paul the whole thing is a sham, a farce, a mockery and an insult to the intelligence of the citizens of the world, who are watching this sham as the US/NATO/UN go around the world spreading democracy from the barrel of a gun.
Uploaded by gvloanguy on Jan 21, 2012Why do Conservatives and Christians let Mainstream Media pick the Presidential Candidate for them? Sheeple. Don’t let this happen in 2012. It’s our LAST CHANCE to SAVE THE REPUBLIC! Please WATCH THIS VIDEO. then SHARE, LIKE etc. Get the word out. Fight the Good fight Patriots. Let’s get a GENUINE CONSERVATIVE in their to go up against the enemy of Liberty.
This whole thing is a very serious situation happening in front of our eyes. The mockery is full scale up and down and across the board. It is as if the PTB are having the greatest laugh of all times!! The blatant maneuvers at hoodwinking the public in plain view is astonishing. There is no clear, strong and supported opposition to Obama. He will win by default, while these folks, except Ron Paul, speak of the real issues, they are only actors in the grand scheme and very poor ones at that. Whatever they say about Ron Paul the whole thing is a sham, a farce, a mockery and an insult to the intelligence of the citizens of the world, who are watching this sham as the US/NATO/UN go around the world spreading democracy from the barrel of a gun.
Why do Conservatives and Christians let Mainstream Media pick the Presidential Candidate for them? Sheeple. Don’t let this happen in 2012. It’s our LAST CHANCE to SAVE THE REPUBLIC! Please WATCH THIS VIDEO. then SHARE, LIKE etc. Get the word out. Fight the Good fight Patriots. Let’s get a GENUINE CONSERVATIVE in their to go up against the enemy of Liberty.
Do we celebrate the Jewish Holocaust? Then why the celebration of the holocaust of millions of indigenous people of Turtle Island??
As long as Americans celebrate this holiday of massacre, they are complicit in the holocaust of the indigenous people. They are also tuned into the idea of colonialism as an option for dominance over another people and the taking of their land. They are desensitized with lies that led people into wars and continue to fight for the Imperial wizards of the world, having learned this from a very early age. Yet to protest this is to protest the deeds of their forefathers, particularly Pres. Lincoln who made it a national holiday for one day, instead of the week long celebration and murder that pursued for nearly 100 years or more. Teaching this to the children will bring them to question many things, including the Pledge of Allegiance, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is a dangerous thing to do, when the system depends on the manufacturing of sheeple for the herd. I started to share this story, but thought better of it.
NPR can only go but so close to the truth. As long as we insist on living a lie, then we will remain its captive. Truth is freeing, lies are prisons. People can be united without ignoring the truth, but can join in the fact that we are all human and that the indigenous people did not deserve it. It could become a time for folks to go to the reservations, send a donation to a fund for Indigenous Americans, etc. Instead, filling our guts with food till we drop, and call that Thanksgiving. Giving thanks should occur each day, nothing stops us from doing that. By participating in this holiday we deny humanity on every level across the board. Question: Would they make a holiday celebrating the Jewish Holocaust?? Or is it a memorial??? It boggles my mind that people who are in the progressive lane of knowledge, wisdom and understanding, going straight and strong, then take a detour when the holidays come… Thanksgiving and Christmas. It demonstrates to me, how hard-wired we are into the system and how we choose those stances that are the least conflictual, while in the privacy of our own lives we support the warriors who have the courage to stand up for truth across the board. They (Truth Warriors) are turning over the rocks, finding the worms and making changes for those of us who slide by or look the other way, even if we stub our toes in the process. I have received so many emails from folks wishing me a Happy Thanksgiving. No way.. I have followed these folks posts about truth and justice, Humanity Healing for example, only to get a “Happy Thanksgiving” from them??? Not to mention the OWS and this Black friday Christmas shopping debackle!! That is why the elite ain’t sceeered of nobody, they know folks are gonna go right back to business as usual. It takes guts to stand up for truth, and then stay standing. It don’t take no guts to sit in a tent day after day… but when your family starts calling you all kinds of crazy or even sending you plane tickets “home” to celebrate the Holocaust of the People of Turtle Island, well you best get on that plane, your next meal may depend on it, and when it comes down to your next meal and acceptance by your family and friends for standing for truth, then your family will-out because they are the wardens, and it is their job to keep your from breaking out of prison….!!!!
Let me say this, having been involved in many rituals over the years I have inhabited this planet, I have found that many of the “so-called” Western/Christian Holidays are shrouding the so-called pagan practices of old. No matter how you slice it, we have lived in a world dominated by one main mind set, that is control/domination. If connecting the pagan rituals to the Christian ones meant getting more money from the pagans, then why not? I will go a little deeper and state, that these pagan rituals also tend to shroud the true controllers behind them. In that sense, we are bombarded by protocols and the rights of ritualizing or risk some form of chastisement aimed at making us conform. It is the conformity that makes us controllable and easy to manage. Yet even in that, it has cause tribal wars and division among the people. “
“Today, it is infinitely easier to to kill a million people than to control a million people.”- Zbigniew Brzezinski, imperialist/globalist/war-monger, former policy advisor to Obama, CFR and Trilateral Commission founder, lamenting about how the global political awakening is making it increasingly difficult to sedate/exploit and the masses.”
In the past, religion was used… Each of us must find our God-Consciousness within and make that first priority to what we think and do. And that takes a lot of work and study of the “Self”
EARTHLINGS is the single most powerful and informative documentary about society’s tragic and unforgivable use of nonhuman animals, narrated by Joaquin Phoenix with soundtrack by Moby. Directed by Shaun Monson, this multi-award winning film by Nation Earth is a must-see for anyone who cares about nonhuman animals or wishes to make the world a better place. PLEASE: don’t run from reality, watch the film and share your thoughts with other viewers in the comments section. Thank you.
Do we celebrate the Jewish Holocaust? Then why the celebration of the holocaust of millions of indigenous people of Turtle Island??
As long as Americans celebrate this holiday of massacre, they are complicit in the holocaust of the indigenous people. They are also tuned into the idea of colonialism as an option for dominance over another people and the taking of their land. They are desensitized with lies that led people into wars and continue to fight for the Imperial wizards of the world, having learned this from a very early age. Yet to protest this is to protest the deeds of their forefathers, particularly Pres. Lincoln who made it a national holiday for one day, instead of the week long celebration and murder that pursued for nearly 100 years or more. Teaching this to the children will bring them to question many things, including the Pledge of Allegiance, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is a dangerous thing to do, when the system depends on the manufacturing of sheeple for the herd. I started to share this story, but thought better of it.
NPR can only go but so close to the truth. As long as we insist on living a lie, then we will remain its captive. Truth is freeing, lies are prisons. People can be united without ignoring the truth, but can join in the fact that we are all human and that the indigenous people did not deserve it. It could become a time for folks to go to the reservations, send a donation to a fund for Indigenous Americans, etc. Instead, filling our guts with food till we drop, and call that Thanksgiving. Giving thanks should occur each day, nothing stops us from doing that. By participating in this holiday we deny humanity on every level across the board. Question: Would they make a holiday celebrating the Jewish Holocaust?? Or is it a memorial??? It boggles my mind that people who are in the progressive lane of knowledge, wisdom and understanding, going straight and strong, then take a detour when the holidays come… Thanksgiving and Christmas. It demonstrates to me, how hard-wired we are into the system and how we choose those stances that are the least conflictual, while in the privacy of our own lives we support the warriors who have the courage to stand up for truth across the board. They (Truth Warriors) are turning over the rocks, finding the worms and making changes for those of us who slide by or look the other way, even if we stub our toes in the process. I have received so many emails from folks wishing me a Happy Thanksgiving. No way.. I have followed these folks posts about truth and justice, Humanity Healing for example, only to get a “Happy Thanksgiving” from them??? Not to mention the OWS and this Black friday Christmas shopping debackle!! That is why the elite ain’t sceeered of nobody, they know folks are gonna go right back to business as usual. It takes guts to stand up for truth, and then stay standing. It don’t take no guts to sit in a tent day after day… but when your family starts calling you all kinds of crazy or even sending you plane tickets “home” to celebrate the Holocaust of the People of Turtle Island, well you best get on that plane, your next meal may depend on it, and when it comes down to your next meal and acceptance by your family and friends for standing for truth, then your family will-out because they are the wardens, and it is their job to keep your from breaking out of prison….!!!!
Let me say this, having been involved in many rituals over the years I have inhabited this planet, I have found that many of the “so-called” Western/Christian Holidays are shrouding the so-called pagan practices of old. No matter how you slice it, we have lived in a world dominated by one main mind set, that is control/domination. If connecting the pagan rituals to the Christian ones meant getting more money from the pagans, then why not? I will go a little deeper and state, that these pagan rituals also tend to shroud the true controllers behind them. In that sense, we are bombarded by protocols and the rights of ritualizing or risk some form of chastisement aimed at making us conform. It is the conformity that makes us controllable and easy to manage. Yet even in that, it has cause tribal wars and division among the people. “
“Today, it is infinitely easier to to kill a million people than to control a million people.”- Zbigniew Brzezinski, imperialist/globalist/war-monger, former policy advisor to Obama, CFR and Trilateral Commission founder, lamenting about how the global political awakening is making it increasingly difficult to sedate/exploit and the masses.”
In the past, religion was used… Each of us must find our God-Consciousness within and make that first priority to what we think and do. And that takes a lot of work and study of the “Self”
EARTHLINGS is the single most powerful and informative documentary about society’s tragic and unforgivable use of nonhuman animals, narrated by Joaquin Phoenix with soundtrack by Moby. Directed by Shaun Monson, this multi-award winning film by Nation Earth is a must-see for anyone who cares about nonhuman animals or wishes to make the world a better place. PLEASE: don’t run from reality, watch the film and share your thoughts with other viewers in the comments section. Thank you.
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